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Composite door problem
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Lordloverocketandhismongym8max
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Posted: 30/01/2010 10:10:16 AM
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Composite door help.
Posted: Jan 30, 2010 8:08 AM
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Hi folks,
I would be extremely grateful if someone with some experience with these doors could offer me some advice. I had a local Fensa bloke who was recommended to me fit me one. I left him to it but as soon as I had seen it it afterwards it looked all wrong. He has gone way overboard with the frame. Its like he fitted a door too small then packed it in with an oversized frame and it looks awful. He said the standard width for the frame is 70mm but he gave himself 60mm (30mm either side) extra to be safe. Thats bad enough but the top has 140mm of white plastic and the bottom has a big white step. All other doors I have looked at, the door stands out and not the frame. I suspect I will have to buy a new door and start again and try and sell the small door. How do I go about getting a neat finish without the frame being to overpowering? I really am not an overly fussy person but if you look at the link you will see what I mean. Thanks in advance Stuart
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Gazman
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Posted: 30/01/2010 12:00:12 PM
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That should save people having to copy and paste.
Welcome to the forum and thanks for the photo
That frame really does look very over powering there.
It is a real shame that they dont seem able to match the frames with the door colour, I have just checked one of my order forms and the only options are white, golden oak and rosewood for the frames.
The frames do only come in 70mm as far as I am aware. But a 30mm gap all the way around is excesive! 5-10mm gap would be the norm here unless either the brickwork is out of plum or there are obstructions on the inside of the door such as very wide plaster revels, wide skirting boards etc. Can you post a pic of the inside?
If you dont mind I think I will print a photo of this pic to show customers in future, White frames on a composite door in light couloured brick work doesnt quite seem to work.
Do the job right the first time!
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Gazman
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Posted: 30/01/2010 12:05:59 PM
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I beleve there are specilist firms that paint pvc maybe the frame could be made to match the door in some way.
If you do deside to change the door and you want to still go with composite I would sugest a golden oak door with matching frame, I personally think golden oak looks very good against brickwork.
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Lordloverocketandhismongym8max
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Posted: 30/01/2010 1:26:46 PM
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Thanks for the reply. In hindsight my choice of colours was not ideal but I think it would look 100% better if it was fitted with just the standard frame and non of all that excess plastic. Its left me a bit mad really. Is it unrealistic to expect an installer to have no excess around the frame? Im going to tackle him on Monday because I think he has measured up wrong and hoped I would not noticed. Heres the inside... cheers
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Gazman
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Posted: 30/01/2010 4:07:29 PM
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From that pic I would say that he could probably have made the frame a touch larger, You should always leave 5-10mm expansion gap as PVC can expand about 1.6mm per meter in length.
His fitting does look very neat and it looks like the frame on the sides does go behind the trim 15-20mm so he may not have been able to make it much wider than that.
The hight does look quite short but they do have an odd maximum hight for making composite doors (Im not sure off the top of my head but thinks its about 2050mm including cill).
Could he perhaps put a 60-80mm mahogany trim along the top instead of the 30mm white one? It would match in to the timber above and probably make the whole white frame look alot smaller
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Lordloverocketandhismongym8max
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Posted: 30/01/2010 5:06:01 PM
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Once again thank you for finding the time to reply.
"His fitting does look very neat and it looks like the frame on the sides does go behind the trim 15-20mm so he may not have been able to make it much wider than that.
The original door was wooden and the frame was around 40mm in width. That was tight up against the brick work. Would that not indicate that the newer larger frame could be put tight up or within 5-10mm of the brickwork too. Would the internal obsticles not be relevent to both. I am very ignorant of the details here but I am trying to prepare as best I can for when I meet the bloke on Monday and you advice is very helpful. Oh and the height of the door is 1940mm cheers Stuart
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Gazman
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Posted: 30/01/2010 6:01:17 PM
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"Would the internal obsticles not be relevent to both" The only obstical you have there really is that the hinges cannot be closer to the wall than the skirting board or the door would bend around it when opened. Yours has about a 15mm gap so in theory he could probably had made the door a bit wider.
I personally always go for the tightest fit posible but alot of companys prefere to measure slack to be on the safe side.
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Gazman
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Posted: 30/01/2010 6:15:38 PM
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The top of the frame looks as if it almost all showing (it might go behind the trim 5mm or so). If you measure where indicated this should be about 70mm on the top, If you then compare that to the sides and put a small pencil mark you will be able to estimate how tight he is to the brickwork on either side
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Glassglen
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Posted: 31/01/2010 1:44:49 PM
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To be honest the fiiting looks ok, and going back to what someone else said i think there must be a rather thick plaster line.I think maybe the colour choice is wrong and the white stands out to much against the blue, maybe should have a low threshold.
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insiderinfo
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Posted: 02/02/2010 10:47:03 AM
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this door could have been 10mm higher in height but apart form this it is well fitted. Would not have got away with low thresh as cill is below internal floor. if u have a problem ask the fitter to get company out who made it but this will cost u if it is right. I have seen a lot worse color isnt great choice but this can be painted
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Lordloverocketandhismongym8max
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Posted: 02/02/2010 6:30:23 PM
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He removed some mortor to fit the cill. Went covertly looking at other doors and most have between 5-10mm extra from the 70mm frame and they look miles better. He has told me he is going to order a new larger door and frame door. Iv offered to meet him with some money as I feel a little awkward about it but he said he was fairly confident of being able to re use the door.
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DIY Conservatories Chris
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Posted: 19/02/2010 2:57:34 PM
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Hi Lord....8max,
Sounds like you found yourself one of the good guys (although I think his pride is preventing him from admitting he mismeasured).
Good to hear that the issue will be resolved. Must admit I had a bit of a chuckle at your last post. Sounds a bit like you're the nicest customer in the world as well.
Cheers,
DIY Conservatories
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Kevin Ahern
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Posted: 24/02/2010 10:32:18 PM
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I'm not really sure if this is relevant , but the OP needed advice on the size of his door, it seems that the issue will be resolved, which is excelent , but he had three posters telling him that the white frame and blue door looked odd together ( and brick colour). The OP presumably chose the colour and style of the door and comments as to it's colour suitability to the brickwork is purely subjective and doesn't really help in the issue.
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